Amjad Masad

Yeah, yeah.

And then you have psychedelics.

I don't think psychedelics are drugs.

I think it's a completely different thing.

It's really hard to get addicted to them, right?

Well, it's almost impossible.

I mean, you could certainly get psychologically addicted to experiences.

And I think there's also a real problem with people who use them and think that somehow or another they're just from using them gaining some sort of advantage over normal society.

And that's... You don't think that's true?

No.

i think it's a spiritual narcissism that some people you know what i mean i think it's very it's it's very foolish and it's a trap you know i think it's like it's it's a similar trap that like famous people think they're better than other people because they're famous you know what i mean like yeah yeah i felt that with uh with a lot of people who get into sort of more eastern philosophy is that is that there's a

Right, right, right.

And that's what they hold it over you.

That's the trap.

But that doesn't mean that there's not valuable lessons in there to learn.

I think there are.

And I think there's valuable perspective enhancing aspects to psychedelic experiences that we are –

We're denying people.

You're denying people this potential for spiritual growth, like legitimate spiritual growth.

And healing.