Amjad Masad

First, like they, you know, they laugh at you, then they try to fight you, then they join you or something like that.

They're saying it like that.

Whereas they're like, they're joining us right now.

Like they, initially it was like, oh, rep let us this toy.

You know, kids use it.

Yeah, we have a lot of kids using it.

We're proud of it.

It's so easy that kids use it.

Yeah.

And it's like, why is that a negative thing?

It's probably a good sign.

It's a good sign.

Yeah.

And then when they felt threatened by it, they would like try to buy it or like try to compete on the margins or try to like, you know, compete in the press or PR, but not really on the product because they still don't believe in it, but they want to counter the narrative that actually programming can be coding or making software can be something anyone can do.

And finally, when we've

we've grown so much, like our revenue, like 100x, then they paid attention and they're like, okay, this is a real thing and people want it.

And now they're building actual competing products.

Yeah, I think that's like an age-old...

thing that's been happening with technology since the dawn of time.

So think about literacy, right?