Andi Oliver

Which they're meant to do.

Yeah, which everybody's meant to do.

But it was quite hard to explain that to somebody.

Yeah.

I wanted to talk to you as well about grief because I feel like grief at this time of our lives is something that we have to deal with a lot.

But it can be, especially for somebody, I've had a life of loss throughout my life, but a bit like you, I'm so grateful.

that I've had it bit by bit, but sometimes people get to this stage of their life and they lose a lot of people in like a five-year period.

Yeah.

What can people do with that?

I mean, possibly a similar thing to what you were saying earlier, but have you got any advice?

As I said to Andy in that episode, grief doesn't mean forgetting.

It's about holding on in a new way, about making space for love and loss to live side by side.