André Duqum

Okay.

That's at 50% you've assessed.

What can we do to effectively guarantee heads over tails?

In such a short amount of time in which it would need to be done?

That's not going to come top down from governmental force, right?

A government can force that.

But

Historically, does it seem likely?

So, I mean, I feel like likely any true transformation societally stems from traumatic events or things needing to get bad to a certain point for people to realize the immensity of the problem.

And...

That boiling point where water turns into gas, that moment where there is a revolution in paradigms, we're clearly facing a shift in a paradigm.

And is your intuition that it will likely need to probably get worse, shake up some feathers before we wake up to that?

That's huge.

That's amazing.

It seems like life...

has an inherent duality to it that no matter what the innovation, there's almost equal sides, good and bad, that could come from it.

And it sounds like individuals like yourself and folks that you're working with are really examining what we can do on the social change side so that...

There is a balance to the individuals that have the switch to evil, for lack of a better term, you know?

Yeah?

Yeah, the line...