Andrea Dunlop

And Dr. Sally Smith spoke to us the other week about the death threats and harassment she's received as a result of misleading media coverage that she's been the subject of.

which I dare say may very well be the point of all this.

And it can be pretty challenging to unring the bell here.

For example, there was endless media coverage of the Kowalskis lawsuit against Johns Hopkins All Children's, mostly extremely favorable to them.

However, the appeal in the hospital's favor, not so much.

And while we can't speak to Dr. Jensen at the moment because of the pending litigation, as we've been discussing, the people who should actually be evaluating whether child abuse pediatricians are doing their work properly are people with expertise in the field.

And thankfully, there's almost no one in the country with more expertise than today's guest, Dr. Randy Alexander, a professor of pediatrics and notably the one child abuse pediatrician whose voice was featured in The Preventionist.

Not only does Randy have a wealth of experience in the field, he also knows both of journalist Diane Neary's targets, Dr. Deborah Jensen and Dr. Sally Smith, quite well.

You testified in the Kowalski trial.

Right.

Yes.

Well, actually, you know, the appeals court of Florida entirely seems to agree with you as this recent decision that came down a few weeks ago.

And we were able to we had this other another interview with Sally scheduled just to talk about the preventionist and low.

We ended up being able to talk about the appeal as well.

And, you know, what that court decided, it was quite a strong decision.

in favor of the hospital and basically said that the stuff regarding the doctor's actions and protective actions should never have even gone to trial.

Having known these these two doctors, is it a surprise to you the way they're currently being represented in the media?

Because if you were to look at the media coverage of these two doctors, you would think that they had had, you know, these very fraught.

careers where there'd been all these complaints about them and that they are committing, you know, malpractice of some kind and that they are extremely arrogant and don't listen to anyone else.

And I mean, that's the way they've both been portrayed.