Andrea Dunlop

really has some strong generational patterns and is really striking in the amount of time that this has been permitted to go on.

And so, yeah, can you just tell us about, first of all, explain, so our perpetrator that we're talking about is Lisa Campbell Goines.

Can you explain who she is and just give us kind of the who's who in this family to begin with?

So Lisa took over.

What age was the child when Lisa took a sort of primary caretaking role, if not official custody?

So so for the majority of her life, Lisa had been her primary caretaker.

And so the child was living with was living exclusively with her grandparents.

And it sounds like the husband, Lance, was not as present in the home.

So what do we know about this child's health history by the time that you got involved?

And what sort of issues was the child having?

Obviously, you're describing, you know, like they were having, that she was having a medical crisis that brought her in for that August hospitalization.

But what kind of, you know, you said she had a feeding tube.

Like what kind of persistent issues was the kiddo having?

I'm sorry, you're saying mom, but it's grandmother, right?

Sorry, yes.

So and I think people, yeah, sort of this is something we've heard about in cases where this happened in the Mary Welch case, right, where sometimes, obviously, most of the time, if a child is traveling by helicopter, they need to be.

But there are instances where if a parent is being very insistent that the child needs to be transported by helicopter, people will do that, which seems a bit wild.

But we certainly have seen that in cases before.

Yeah.

Yeah, so this is a case, again, that has a lot of parallels of what we've seen in other cases.