Andrea Dunlop

So tell us about your interactions with Lisa herself.

So this is kind of like in the Sophie Harmon case where she's showing all these videos of the child having a quote episode.

Episode, right.

Right.

And was rat poison one of the suspected substances?

So, yeah.

So when you spoke to her, did she, how did she sort of present?

Did she, was she maintaining her innocence?

Okay.

Yes.

Famously, Lisa McDaniel also did some psych testing where it showed that she did not have Munchausen by proxy and she poisoned her daughter nonetheless.

Right.

That goes back to the hammer we're hitting about this not being a psychological diagnosis.

Anyway, just carry on.

So, you know, you go through this investigation and then how does, you know, what ultimately leads up to her arrest?

Well, and I think that that's really it, Mike, too, isn't it?

Like, I wonder what this case, we're talking about it in plain language, but, you know, if this went through the Mike Hickson bog machine, you know, or the Diane Nary machine, this could easily be presented as some wrongfully accused mom with all the same evidence.

And I think there's just such a, there's this idea, you know, with these cases that they're

So murky and they're so uncertain and like as though all these things are unknowable and they're not unknowable.

And the reality is by the time this is ever caught, it's almost always blazingly obvious to many people that something's wrong.