Andrea Jones-Rooy

Is it attention?

Is it, or as you said, a belief that if you just keep insisting you can do this for long enough, you'll actually catch up and do it?

Right.

And if they're found guilty, does the money go back to the investors?

Steve, how does this fit with the kind of broader conversation slash tension around AI and agentic AI and all of that?

There's obviously a ton of hype and a lot of it's coming from the companies themselves that stand to benefit from the hype.

There's also the reality, which is they are AIs are getting better.

And then there's sort of like the kind of like the iPhone version that you described.

There's sort of like the beta AI or the model AI that can do even more advanced things, but you wouldn't implement it in like a workplace job yet.

Like, is that unethical?

Like, at what point is hype unethical, I guess, is the...

Wow.

Or object-enlarged to show texture on cereal.

Right.

Right, right.

Or like we've done some demos that suggest this could be possible.

And I would guess that's kind of true for the battery thing and the Elizabeth Holmes thing is that because you're investing, unlike AI where maybe you're deciding to purchase a license or something, but if you're investing, presumably the product doesn't exist.

So you're investing on how credible...

Elizabeth Holmes or these battery people are in saying, we can make this happen, right?

Right.