Andrea Jones-Rooy

We'll get to that.

But first, I want to ask you guys to now define a rabbit hole on the internet, as opposed to rabbits digging through the top soil that Jay was describing.

Yes.

So I love that you all brought these perspectives on because actually the way that they think about this is more similar to the George and Bob version of rabbit holes.

And Steve, your description is something that comes out as a third step of radicalization.

And they may in fact,

Bob, to your point, they make exactly the point that a rabbit hole on the internet needn't necessarily draw you into anything political.

I personally went on a rabbit hole of cake decorating not long ago, and I have no regrets about that.

Messy Baker on YouTube, very fun.

But you can also imagine being in a rabbit hole of a political topic that is still ideologically neutral.

And this is important.

The reason we're interested in this, Steve, is because we care about radicalization as an end goal.

So it's not to say that we are going to go out there and try to measure these other rabbit holes, but their question is kind of like, how does the idea of a rabbit hole intersect with an echo chamber, intersect with user choices to lead to radicalization?

So they start from the perspective that rabbit holes...

could be neutral, and they actually give a description where they say, okay, you could imagine someone who starts very non-political and is looking up a video about a video game that they played, and that could be politically neutral.

The next recommended videos, and this is hypothetical, the next recommended videos could be an interview with the creators of the game, and one of the things they mention could be the importance of having a strong female lead character in the game.

That could mean that the next recommended videos that are sort of similar to those, again, independent of the user's actual beliefs.

So those might be left-leaning if they start having conversations about a female lead.

And again, we're oversimplifying and we're keeping politics to just a left-right continuum, but okay.

So you watch this video, they say something about the importance of a female lead.