Andrew Callaghan

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The Jordan Harbinger Show · 1156: Andrew Callaghan | Documenting America's Shadow Self · 20 May 2025 podcast

And connection is the most important one, and it can't be fulfilled by the first two. So some of the people with the most security and significance, i.e. some of the richest people, are the most alienated. Whereas there are people with very little significance or security who have a lot of connection to others.

Community exists, in my opinion, more on a working class level than it does at the very top. That makes sense. I think that part of the reason Kelly had such a fallout is because in this country in particular... Everything is connected. There was a 1950s Levittown Leave it to Beaver era thing that said, strong fences make strong neighbors.

That's a distinctly American dream post-war thing where your status is inextricably connected to your own privacy and the walls that you build in between the people around you. That's weird, eh? Yeah. And if I needed their help, I would call them. So the more money that I've made in my life, the less close I felt to my neighbors and community. So I think it's a snake that eats itself.

We know. Yeah. That's a perfect reference. I forgot about that scene. Yeah. But yeah, that guy's neighbor literally is like exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah. And the reason that's so significant is because when Kelly lost his home, his neighbors were like, can't help you. Good luck. Like in an ideal world, if you have a strong community, you can get your house foreclosed and people will help you. You can stay on your friend's couches, like assuming you're a well-standing community member. You can recover from that.

But the way it was in his world where everyone had built up their own empires, even if they were next door and they wouldn't share, it was like, oh, you lost your house? Sorry, bro, you got to go with the poors.

Online hatred and the accumulation of wealth are all rooted in existential dread. The desire for power, whether it be wealth or followers, is rooted in the existential fear that nothing matters and that your entire life you're just working toward achieving something intangible that will disappear the moment you pass away.

The reason people want to hoard wealth is because being rich is the closest thing you have to immortality. And being famous might even be a more immortal sense than that because you go around and you see outlines of the Beatles on stained glass windows at the Hard Rock Cafe, murals of Kurt Cobain on Melrose and places he's never been before.

So fame and money are the two things that can help us deal with this shared dread that we have because everybody's going to die.

That's something hard to grasp. I'm sure you're a workhorse like me. I see you do a bunch of episodes.

The satisfaction and dopamine rush of like doing numbers on a podcast is transitory compared to the fulfillment you get from really connecting with somebody.

This makes me think, man, my mom invited me on a birthday trip this weekend. I told her I couldn't go because I had to record a broadcast, but maybe I should just postpone that and go with her.

It's mine, but we got to spend time together, just us in a while. But Dan, the way you said that, I'm the one who brought this whole train of thought up, but you kind of drove it to the station. Maybe I should just say, fuck the broadcast this weekend and go to San Diego. How important is the broadcast? Can it be moved?

It was fucking bullshit.

Those communists tried to come in here and convert my children to MS-13. Yeah.

You can also opt out of winter in Arizona. Yeah.

But then you're forced to brave the worst summer imaginable. Because I'm from Seattle. I had a similar seasonal effective thing. I moved to New Orleans for college, and it just swaps. Everybody's depressed in the summertime there.

Same with South Florida. And I was like, oh my God, this is really the spot. But I asked you that because so many different podcasters, entertainers, and just business people have left California.

It's true.

I think they lost $4 trillion in wealth in the past year. And I just got my IRS statement. They're going to take 45% of my income this year.

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