Andy McGrillan (Host)

So while it's not looking great for the way it's used, they do have nuclear power stations, nuclear energy, so there is some good usage.

Mm-hmm.

We've then got to this next checkpoint of, OK, this is going to change their society again.

This is going to be a major checkpoint.

I think we'll look back in decades to come and go.

Remember AI coming in.

I still remember the early days of the Internet that my kids can't imagine.

There was no Netflix.

There was no streaming services.

You know, there was no YouTube.

There was no social media.

I still remember that at 40.

So this will be an age where everything is AI and we're so used to it.

Does that also mean perhaps that you've got governments around the world that would have known this was coming for many, many more years before we did?

that would have think tanked and wargamed all these situations out that this is a game changer in terms of how our society is going to go is this something that starts another cycle or pattern of ufo activity uap activity that we're now at this checkpoint and is this a reason that you start some kind of disclosure process whatever that may be there's a couple of different thoughts in that very is really interesting

yeah well there's a million tangents i can go off on here right but let's let's move it on slightly but i think we've touched on a lot of stuff here um just before that drop we had an event and capitol hill with david grush and a host of other names and i want to get your thoughts on this now he was on the capital steps on the 9th of june calling out a misappropriation of funds executive brands agencies illegally shielding uap programs from congress

And I wonder, did that feel like the modern corroboration of that national security state that you've mentioned on this podcast, you've written about for decades, the idea that it's being called out now in public view, that what you're being told and how this is all meant to be run is not what's happening.

And obviously, as part of it, we're getting the UFO stuff thrown in along for the ride with Grush and co.

I think the overarching idea of whistleblower protections obviously was huge.

Encouraging President Trump to sign an executive order to allow folks to bypass NDAs and come forward and talk is a huge part of it.