Andy McGrillan (Host)

But just in general, it just seems like you've got all these figures involved in the UFO topic who are now under the umbrella much closer to the secrecy and the gatekeepers

And is that just another way of controlling?

I'm not too sure.

Especially somebody like Avi Loeb, who has always been quite outspoken about control and transparency and how if Project Galileo was going to find something, they're not at the whims of the US government or politics.

It just seems like you've got two worlds there kind of combining.

And I'm not sure really how I feel about that.

I'm more wary than anything at the minute.

And as part of this, Chris Sharp at Liberation Times, he's reported today, and literally this has kind of been as I was preparing for this interview and ready to record, saying the US government has actually established a new interagency body

to coordinate UAP investigations, improve the collection and analysis of relevant data and assist with the declassification of UAP related information.

So it's not just this one, it's almost like this is the science advisory aspect of it and it's going to be a bigger organization.

Now for me, the ODNI released a statement to Liberation Times saying to support the president's directive on UAP transparency, ODNI alongside FBI Department of War

established a UEP governance board to provide guidance recommendations and coordination at the inter-agency level bringing together military law enforcement the intelligence community and other civilian agencies so it's going to be the UEP governance board is going to be supported by several advisory groups with expertise outside of the US government of which it looks like this one headed up by Avi Loeb is like the scientific aspect of it so again

to me it seems like an even bigger dome over the topic and is it almost like Hungry Hungry Hippos where they're just smashing and siphoning and off stuff into different groups and boards will this mean these people are less likely to speak and talk more publicly I think obviously we don't know yet it's all very new

But yeah, I'm just really wary of if we are at a point, to go way back to what you said earlier, Richard, where there's a small group of insurgents, there is a kind of mini revolution inside, maybe some of the private contractors, maybe some of the government agencies, maybe some of the military.

Small groups of folks are trying to get information out and they're finding massive pushback.

So as part of it, we get a little bit of...

a little bit of something with the war.gov site with some of the ufo files dropping this to me could go either way is this something positive or is this these gatekeepers and the folks fighting back going do you know what yeah you're right let's take a bit more control of this narrative let's create a board we're in charge of this bang it's really both

Yeah, I think it's one of those time will tell in the next couple of days and weeks.

I think folks like myself and yourself will be looking into this more as information comes out.

And like I say, there's even just today more information coming out to say it looks more like a bigger organization with advisory groups coming off the side of it.