Anita Arnand

The anti-Semitism thing came as a surprise because I just thought they hated women.

I thought they hated me.

But it turns out that they have this whole idea that there are puppet masters who are working all of this and anybody who opposes them is being funded by or brainwashed by this cabal, as you've just described it.

Yeah, satanic, you know, pointing to pictures saying, look, there you see, there's a sign that there's Satan.

But what interested me is when you sort of push them, they say, and you make it very clear that it sounds preposterous.

In fact, with the satanic thing, you say, are you serious?

Are you really saying Satan is running the world?

They'll back off it sometimes.

I mean, not the Satan guy, but a lot of the time they will back down and come back.

Does that mean that the manosphere, are you saying, is artificial completely where the

Because I really feel they hate women.

I don't think that's artificial.

We're going to take a break in a moment, but just before we take the break, do you not find, are you not a very depressed man?

Because if it is that easy to monetize rage.

I mean, why are we going on, Louis?

What's the point of any of this, you know, if it's that simple?

Okay, well, look, let's take a break and come back after the break.

Actually, I think Willie's very keen to talk to you about your dad.

Welcome back.

So just before the break, we had the tantalising dangle of Louis Theroux's dad.