Anna Sale

Yeah, Kathy said I have to focus on my insides, not my outsides.

The way I understand it is there's a lot of things that, as you would say in the program, fix feelings.

Like, how can I fix how I feel, not be present, you know, whatever it is.

And I think when you take out the really strong, life-shattering substances, you are reaching.

And so...

The way I looked was another way I was wearing a mask.

It was another way that I was hiding, not being who I was, people pleasing, wanting to be who you needed me to be.

All of those things I never would have really dissected had I not torched my life in that way and met Kathy and these other addicts that helped me understand the mirror of how ridiculous it was to be so concerned.

here I am, Kathy would say, look where you are.

You're, like, worried about a haircut, but what about where your life has taken you, you know?

Like, obviously, looking good didn't work for you, you know?

Right.

So her big thing that she would, her catchphrase would always be, like, whatever you were obsessing about, Nick, if a haircut...

If haircuts worked for you, you'd have an amazing life.

We love Kathy.

We love Kathy.

So sometimes it's very helpful to lose everything because then a comment like that really puts it in perspective.

And I was heading into my 40s, so the weight wasn't coming off the way that it used to.

And I had to like, maybe like six months in, I had to, instead of all my medium polo shirts that I wore to work, I went online to get some larges, which was, felt like a dagger to my heart.

Um...