Anne Applebaum

Maybe they do feel, maybe it's a reflection, a kind of authentic reflection of how afraid they feel. And they are all people who are engaged in breaking the law and in destroying and undermining the constitution. And they're Perhaps at some level, consciously or unconsciously afraid, eventually they might pay a price for it. I mean, this, of course, we see this also in other countries.

I mean, why is, you know, why is Netanyahu, for example, so keen to break the Israeli judicial system? It's partly because he, too, is worried about being held to account. You know, why is Viktor Orban so determined to stay in office despite the fact that he's This is the prime minister of Hungary, that his numbers are falling. He has a real political opponent.

I mean, why is, you know, why is Netanyahu, for example, so keen to break the Israeli judicial system? It's partly because he, too, is worried about being held to account. You know, why is Viktor Orban so determined to stay in office despite the fact that he's This is the prime minister of Hungary, that his numbers are falling. He has a real political opponent.

I mean, why is, you know, why is Netanyahu, for example, so keen to break the Israeli judicial system? It's partly because he, too, is worried about being held to account. You know, why is Viktor Orban so determined to stay in office despite the fact that he's This is the prime minister of Hungary, that his numbers are falling. He has a real political opponent.

What might persuade him to try and block that political opponent, maybe even through ex-illegal means? It's also, again, the fear that the very real crimes he's carried out, the money that he's stolen, the money that his family have benefited from taking from the Hungarian state, maybe that's going to be investigated. So their anxiety about paranoia has a real basis. You're right.

What might persuade him to try and block that political opponent, maybe even through ex-illegal means? It's also, again, the fear that the very real crimes he's carried out, the money that he's stolen, the money that his family have benefited from taking from the Hungarian state, maybe that's going to be investigated. So their anxiety about paranoia has a real basis. You're right.

What might persuade him to try and block that political opponent, maybe even through ex-illegal means? It's also, again, the fear that the very real crimes he's carried out, the money that he's stolen, the money that his family have benefited from taking from the Hungarian state, maybe that's going to be investigated. So their anxiety about paranoia has a real basis. You're right.

I wonder if it's that or whether it's the extreme, you know, the partisanship that we now live in that makes people literally unable to see Trump's corruption. And this is a theme I know you may also be interested to discuss. I have one or two friends who during the Biden years became very angry by what they perceived to be as Biden's corruption.

I wonder if it's that or whether it's the extreme, you know, the partisanship that we now live in that makes people literally unable to see Trump's corruption. And this is a theme I know you may also be interested to discuss. I have one or two friends who during the Biden years became very angry by what they perceived to be as Biden's corruption.

I wonder if it's that or whether it's the extreme, you know, the partisanship that we now live in that makes people literally unable to see Trump's corruption. And this is a theme I know you may also be interested to discuss. I have one or two friends who during the Biden years became very angry by what they perceived to be as Biden's corruption.

Nothing that was ever proven, nothing was ever shown. There was a lot of rumors about what Hunter Biden had done or not done. You know, as far as I can see, Hunter Biden was guilty of taking advantage of his father's name and he got himself appointed to a couple of boards. But there is no... We're not even living in the same world.

Nothing that was ever proven, nothing was ever shown. There was a lot of rumors about what Hunter Biden had done or not done. You know, as far as I can see, Hunter Biden was guilty of taking advantage of his father's name and he got himself appointed to a couple of boards. But there is no... We're not even living in the same world.

Nothing that was ever proven, nothing was ever shown. There was a lot of rumors about what Hunter Biden had done or not done. You know, as far as I can see, Hunter Biden was guilty of taking advantage of his father's name and he got himself appointed to a couple of boards. But there is no... We're not even living in the same world.

The world in which it's very bad that Hunter Biden was on a board of a Ukrainian or any other company because of who his surname was, and the world in which the president himself is openly taking hundreds of millions of dollars in de facto bribes from all over the world, these aren't really the same planet. And yet you can find people who will say, what about Hunter Biden?

The world in which it's very bad that Hunter Biden was on a board of a Ukrainian or any other company because of who his surname was, and the world in which the president himself is openly taking hundreds of millions of dollars in de facto bribes from all over the world, these aren't really the same planet. And yet you can find people who will say, what about Hunter Biden?

The world in which it's very bad that Hunter Biden was on a board of a Ukrainian or any other company because of who his surname was, and the world in which the president himself is openly taking hundreds of millions of dollars in de facto bribes from all over the world, these aren't really the same planet. And yet you can find people who will say, what about Hunter Biden?

Or Joe Biden was very corrupt too. And that's a fallback position that people continue to find very useful. And if you live in the media bubble where you watch Fox News and your information comes from the right, then you probably haven't heard very much about The scale of corruption in the Trump administration. And you've probably heard endlessly about Hunter Biden.

Or Joe Biden was very corrupt too. And that's a fallback position that people continue to find very useful. And if you live in the media bubble where you watch Fox News and your information comes from the right, then you probably haven't heard very much about The scale of corruption in the Trump administration. And you've probably heard endlessly about Hunter Biden.

Or Joe Biden was very corrupt too. And that's a fallback position that people continue to find very useful. And if you live in the media bubble where you watch Fox News and your information comes from the right, then you probably haven't heard very much about The scale of corruption in the Trump administration. And you've probably heard endlessly about Hunter Biden.

And so that's the that's the other piece of the story that I think might be even different from the 1970s. I don't think we were that divided. I don't think we were that partisan. Of course, in the 1970s, the other thing that happened was that we had, you know, it was the Republicans ultimately who held Nixon to account.