Anne Applebaum

And so that's the that's the other piece of the story that I think might be even different from the 1970s. I don't think we were that divided. I don't think we were that partisan. Of course, in the 1970s, the other thing that happened was that we had, you know, it was the Republicans ultimately who held Nixon to account.

And so that's the that's the other piece of the story that I think might be even different from the 1970s. I don't think we were that divided. I don't think we were that partisan. Of course, in the 1970s, the other thing that happened was that we had, you know, it was the Republicans ultimately who held Nixon to account.

and the Republican Senate and the Republican Congress who put pressure on him to resign. And we don't have that anymore either. We're missing this really vital piece of the U.S. Constitution. We're missing, as you said a minute ago, we're missing Congress.

and the Republican Senate and the Republican Congress who put pressure on him to resign. And we don't have that anymore either. We're missing this really vital piece of the U.S. Constitution. We're missing, as you said a minute ago, we're missing Congress.

and the Republican Senate and the Republican Congress who put pressure on him to resign. And we don't have that anymore either. We're missing this really vital piece of the U.S. Constitution. We're missing, as you said a minute ago, we're missing Congress.

And if there are no leaders on the right, if there are no Republican leaders who are willing to stand up to this, then maybe it's not surprising that ordinary Americans who take their steer on from their political leaders don't see it either. They're not hearing anyone talk about it. They're not hearing anyone investigate it or say anything about it at all.

And if there are no leaders on the right, if there are no Republican leaders who are willing to stand up to this, then maybe it's not surprising that ordinary Americans who take their steer on from their political leaders don't see it either. They're not hearing anyone talk about it. They're not hearing anyone investigate it or say anything about it at all.

And if there are no leaders on the right, if there are no Republican leaders who are willing to stand up to this, then maybe it's not surprising that ordinary Americans who take their steer on from their political leaders don't see it either. They're not hearing anyone talk about it. They're not hearing anyone investigate it or say anything about it at all.

Yeah, no, but it's effective. I mean, I have heard people use this logic and make these arguments. And it seems to be useful in convincing people who might otherwise have some doubts about Trump and the Trump administration, who might otherwise feel a little uncomfortable about supporting something that's this obviously corrupt. I mean, there's another... mechanism that I'm also worried about.

Yeah, no, but it's effective. I mean, I have heard people use this logic and make these arguments. And it seems to be useful in convincing people who might otherwise have some doubts about Trump and the Trump administration, who might otherwise feel a little uncomfortable about supporting something that's this obviously corrupt. I mean, there's another... mechanism that I'm also worried about.

Yeah, no, but it's effective. I mean, I have heard people use this logic and make these arguments. And it seems to be useful in convincing people who might otherwise have some doubts about Trump and the Trump administration, who might otherwise feel a little uncomfortable about supporting something that's this obviously corrupt. I mean, there's another... mechanism that I'm also worried about.

And this is something you get in authoritarian regimes, which is when you have a political leader who so constantly and repeatedly lies himself. I mean, Trump was lying just the other day about gas prices, for example. He says they're lower than they are. And he will lie about the effect of tariffs as they come in. He lies about things that people can see and feel.

And this is something you get in authoritarian regimes, which is when you have a political leader who so constantly and repeatedly lies himself. I mean, Trump was lying just the other day about gas prices, for example. He says they're lower than they are. And he will lie about the effect of tariffs as they come in. He lies about things that people can see and feel.

And this is something you get in authoritarian regimes, which is when you have a political leader who so constantly and repeatedly lies himself. I mean, Trump was lying just the other day about gas prices, for example. He says they're lower than they are. And he will lie about the effect of tariffs as they come in. He lies about things that people can see and feel.

I mean, Americans who buy gas know what the doesn't change that. But when the president lies like that, he creates also an atmosphere where people say, the president is lying and who knows what's really true. I have no idea what any of this means. I'm just going to stay out of it. I'm staying home.

I mean, Americans who buy gas know what the doesn't change that. But when the president lies like that, he creates also an atmosphere where people say, the president is lying and who knows what's really true. I have no idea what any of this means. I'm just going to stay out of it. I'm staying home.

I mean, Americans who buy gas know what the doesn't change that. But when the president lies like that, he creates also an atmosphere where people say, the president is lying and who knows what's really true. I have no idea what any of this means. I'm just going to stay out of it. I'm staying home.

I'm not going to involve myself in this totally corrupt, dishonest world that is our political system. I'm not going to participate. I'm not going to engage. How can I have any influence in a world where As my friend Peter Pomerantz have used this Hannah Arendt quote for his book title, nothing is true and everything is possible. Anything can happen and I don't have any control on it.

I'm not going to involve myself in this totally corrupt, dishonest world that is our political system. I'm not going to participate. I'm not going to engage. How can I have any influence in a world where As my friend Peter Pomerantz have used this Hannah Arendt quote for his book title, nothing is true and everything is possible. Anything can happen and I don't have any control on it.

I'm not going to involve myself in this totally corrupt, dishonest world that is our political system. I'm not going to participate. I'm not going to engage. How can I have any influence in a world where As my friend Peter Pomerantz have used this Hannah Arendt quote for his book title, nothing is true and everything is possible. Anything can happen and I don't have any control on it.