Annie Jacobsen

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309 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 29 Jul

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The Glenn Beck Program · Fauci Pleads the 5th to Sen. Paul: What Is He Afraid Of? | Guest: Annie Jacobsen | 7/29/26 · 29 Jul 2026 podcast

Pressure to do exactly what you're talking about, where you have to have agreements with other governments. voice-verified

that this kind of dangerous research gain of function. voice-verified

I believe you're absolutely right. voice-verified

And you have to sort of that's where you have to have the reckoning where you say, look, you know, however, you're going to frame your apology. voice-verified

You know, but I do want to say, OK, biological weapons are illegal, but there is a carve out for prophylactic purposes. voice-verified

And so that's always what people who are pro gain of function like Fauci will say, we are just doing this so we can defend against it if you guys do it. voice-verified

And it's an obvious catch 22 and many people that I know voice-verified

that believe gain of function is just a euphemism for biological weapons engineering, stand on the opposite side of the aisle where they're like, you can't call that a carve out, call it what it is. voice-verified

But either way, you got to have your sort of reckoning about what cannot be done. voice-verified

And then you have to have agreements. voice-verified

And so that pressure, I think, comes from voice-verified

transparency to enforce the Biological Weapons Convention Treaty. voice-verified

It is not enforceable right now. voice-verified

That's from like the top State Department officials I spoke with. voice-verified

I agree with you that it seems like an intractable problem. voice-verified

But, you know, anyone who knows me personally knows that even though I write these very dark dystopian scenarios, I am an eternal optimist. voice-verified

I'm the mother of two boys. voice-verified

And, you know, I just have to believe that something can be done and must be done. voice-verified

And so it's a bit of your intro where you were talking about voice-verified

Why wasn't COVID a cautionary tale for us? voice-verified

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