Barry Ward

But I feel like you're saying, how is criminality being allowed to occur?

There is nowhere in the world where there is not criminality.

It's human nature that occasionally people will break the law.

Now, what we need to do is ensure that when that happens, there is a reaction and there's a deterrence as far as possible.

And that's why the government has repeatedly invested in more Gardaí, more resources for Gardaí, more equipment for Gardaí and more powers for Gardaí.

You've selected a particular area where that is the case at the moment.

That will be remedied.

That's why we need more Gardaí to fix exactly those problems.

But Rory, what you've done is you have picked a particular incident which is totally isolated and unusual insofar as the child has been picking up the gun.

No, no, I have listened.

Look, I know, but you're saying that because this event has occurred that this is pointing to a lack of policing or a tolerance.

by Gardaí or by any of what's happening.

That is not the case.

But as I say, you said, how are gangland allowed to operate?

As if there's a simple solution that we can just stop gangland operating tomorrow.

It doesn't matter how many Gardaí we have.

That is not going to happen.

You're not going to be able to shut down criminal activity in Ireland forevermore because you put in

50,000 more, Cardi.

That's not a realistic expectation.