Bart Butler

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Proton’s CTO: No company is going to jail for you · 16 Jul 2026 podcast

The word wiretap comes from a time where they had to literally go to your house and tap the wire.

And I don't think it was really thought of at the time, but the actual physical act of having to do this had a barrier to the fact that you couldn't surveil everybody at once.

It was simply logistically impossible.

We live in a world today where you can surveil everybody.

So we want to build services and systems where this is impossible.

Where the default should be privacy, as I said, privacy by default.

And yes, we are also responsive to legitimate law enforcement requests, however you define legitimate.

And that legitimate question will always be a matter of process, which we, of course, are only one player in this process.

It's dead serious.

I mean, it's with all due respect to Swiss authorities and everybody else, I think it would be.

absolutely suicidal to continue down this path part of the swiss brand is privacy it's been that way for 80 years and uh you know they have a they have a good via proton largely but also they have a good case for bringing that in that reputation and that economic advantages because there's a lot of businesses a lot of a lot of commerce that requires confidentiality

to the 21st century, to the digital age, and throwing it away is, I think, short-sighted, to say the least.

But it's a serious threat.

The thing about digital services is they can be moved.

There's a lot of flexibility in this.

And if we get truly dystopian, there may be a world where there's no place to move to.

But at the moment, there are options.

We hope to not have to do it.

We hope that the powers that be are responsive to this and change course.

It's a cost.

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