Bart Butler

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Proton’s CTO: No company is going to jail for you · 16 Jul 2026 podcast

Even though we are much smaller than big tech, where our users come from, when we convert people, when we get new customers, they're big tech in general.

we have to play the same game.

And our corporate motto, this might be a little cheesy, but our corporate motto is privacy by default.

And that default part is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

I mentioned before that our goal is to design products which are easy to use and secure, right?

There are plenty of tools that are secure and nobody but a few, you know,

a few experts use them and that's fine like i'm not criticizing the existence of those tools but our goal is to make tools that everybody can use without understanding the cryptography without even knowing that it's cryptography that they can use and that are as easy to use and as feature-filled

as our unencrypted and essentially data mining competitors, right?

It's a tall order.

I'm not saying we're 100% there yet, but that is the goal.

But the default word in that privacy by default means that we have to be at the scale where we can offer a real alternative to big tech.

And small startups, small scale-ups, being 100 times or 10 times smaller than big tech is not going to cut it.

And in order to do that, we need to grow.

So growth is actually part of the mission, if you will.

And that means that we have to be

the word, not rapacious, but we have to be as hungry and as efficient and as growth-minded as we possibly can, because that's part of the mission, to grow big enough to actually challenge the paradigm.

We can talk about all kinds of ways capitalism is kind of broken right now, but we have to play the game.

It's not.

But what could also be our corporate motto is go big or go home, right?

We don't set modest goals in that regard.

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