Bella Freud

And you're the legendary Peaches, punk rock singer and performance artist and described as a feminist queer icon.

And also you're outlandishly normal in some ways.

And you say you thrive on misconceptions.

And I wondered, what's your favorite misconception?

Yeah, certainly knowing you a smaller man, you don't seem at all like that and it's

Yeah.

Well, it's really hard to have agency again.

Oh, it's hard to have identity if someone's trying to take away your agency.

It's very undermining, I mean, to put it mildly.

Also, it doesn't make the instigator of that feel safe either because it's just...

If people are that insecure about their kind of place in the world, undermining other people or another gender, it doesn't work.

It doesn't stabilize at all.

It just creates more tension around that.

It's so true.

It's just pulling it apart more and more.

And as a genuine disruptor, where do you look for stability in your life?

It was a good answer, so it doesn't matter.

And you worked at YMCA in Toronto with little kids.

I did.

Which was not fulfilling until you started making music with them.