Bella Freud

And you said kids are like punks.

Do you think that's because they're more abandoned in their demeanor?

Yeah.

Sounds fantastic.

It must have been so great for those kids.

Because we met in 2003 and I was making a short film with John Malkovich and we made these three short films together, me and him.

And I'd heard that you were playing at this club called Trash and you were coming on at two in the morning.

Yeah.

asked if you'd be in the film.

And then I remember I made you this PVC mini dress with a Peter Pan collar and you recited this poem in the film.

Yes, Small Dying Bird.

Yeah.

Do you remember, did you enjoy being directed by John?

It was such a, it was so much fun working with him because he would disappear off to make a film and I wouldn't be able to get hold of him and I didn't know what really to do.

So in the end I just invent stuff.

And then going around, you know, like,

He was my calling card and everyone was so enthusiastic and it was such fun.

And I always remember that time because I came to the place where we were prepping and my son, who was, I think he was about three or two and a half, and

He kept going, mommy, mommy, mommy.

And I walked in and he was just going, mommy, like someone who'd been sort of abandoned and that's all who their speech was left.