Bella Freud

I was really useless quite a lot of the time.

Gosh, well, that's a nice thing to imagine.

I, of course, can only remember the time where... She shouted at you.

I don't mind her shouting at me at all, but I just remember the time where she designed these, she had these ideas for prints that went on this shirt and shorts ensemble.

It was so beautiful.

And then I remember the samples arriving and I'd go to Italy and put them into work.

And it was quite hard work because they were always saying no to me.

And I would try and find a way around it.

And I used to be known as, because I'd start every sentence with this, that you can do this, that.

But then I forgot to get the print put on the back of the shirt.

And it's as if we had that conversation yesterday and her look of withering kind of, oh my God, it was terrible.

But-

Anyway, she made me strong.

And you were part of that squat that everyone cool lived in.

Was it in Warren Street?

Yeah, was it Michael Clarke and John Mabry?

Yeah.

Because it was around the time of the Blitz Club.

Yeah.

Is that right?