Bella Freud

And you've described it as the moment of nothingness before ecstasy.

And is that feeling part of why you're always moving forward and expanding your horizons?

It's amazing to, to have that awareness at this point in life instead of most people that comes a lot later.

Um, and it's so much fun as well.

Um, I love that idea of, you know, just that still moment where something's about to happen and, um,

having that as part of your resource as well and being kind of alive to it it's a real adventure and you've talked about body autonomy and resistance and about also about enjoying some of the your nightmares i mean literally your dream nightmares and i laughed so much when i read when you said oh actually i quite like some of my nightmares and um i uh

You're an actor too and you've just made a film with Anne Hathaway and Michaela Cole and I wonder what do you do with your autonomy when you're acting in someone else's story?

You can hit the note, but you go somewhere else with it just because you can.

Is it a bit like that when you're being an actor?

So it was Marius de Vries who pushed you to go that high for the, was that the first time?

Because it's such a kind of one of the things that you, because when you talked about training with the, that your singing teacher was an opera singer and it's the way you sound as if you were just born with this ability to go anywhere with your voice.

Yeah, how brilliant that he saw that.

He's a real, I mean, he's a genius at that.

in preparation for you being here.

And I've enjoyed it so much and discovered so many things about myself as well and how I can relate to your journey.

And thank you so much for being on Fashion Neurosis, Twigs.

It's been totally entrancing.

Because with your voice, I thought I was going to be like... I never thought you'd cry.

You just seemed...

I don't know.