Bella Freud

And I just loved how she taught.

I knew she loved clothes.

And then her writing is so...

and she's such a literary figure, but there's none of that kind of almost...

kind of indulgence in crusty dryness that sometimes people buy into.

And I think writing is the most glamorous thing you can do on earth.

I agree with that.

It's so exciting, you know, it's so appealing and it's so sexy.

And she really kind of captivates, you know, she encapsulated that.

And I thought, I have to have her.

Because Sadie changed her name from Sadie and you changed yours from Anais Mourinho to Arlo Parks.

And did you need a different name in order to be as intrepid as you are now?

Yeah, it's interesting that I think any device you can find to get yourself out there is a great device.

Definitely.

I remember Zandra Rhodes talking about how her mother called her Zandra because she wanted her to have this already something to negotiate with.

And it was everyone always called her Zandra.

And there was something where she had to fight to get people to call her

by this actual name that she'd been given and already there was a the exercise in being recognized you know yeah and inserting yourself in that way yeah and I do think names hold a lot of power even when you think about you know the names of records or films

Yeah, I was going to ask you about record covers, actually, because they had such a big aesthetic influence on me.

And I remember certain ones so specifically.