Bella Freud

Or something that's got, I always like the in-between masculine and feminine.

And a beret, if I can pull it off, is the most glamorous thing on earth.

Really?

Johnny Rotten in a beret, I mean, that was the best thing.

Every, oh, it's just such a good look.

Fantastic.

It's the coolest thing.

Yeah, exactly.

God, that's so charming.

I love the idea of that.

And how do you, fashion is famously competitive and I, you know, it has to be.

And I wondered how do you deal with competition and how does it make you feel?

Yeah, I think that's right.

Also, I was reading that you were creating something once for John Galliano and you broke down in tears saying, I can't do it, I can't do it.

And John said, but you're going to do it, aren't you?

I thought this sounds like torture maybe to the outside world, but it's how designers hold each other up by insisting on the best from each other.

Did it feel like an act of love?

Yeah, because I was going to ask you what's the most extreme thing you've done for fashion?

Yeah, you have to take these things in the service of fashion.

You have to do these feats.