Ben Borton

But in terms of really changing the world and really having kind of an impact on people's lives, it left us feeling a little bit wanting.

And Podplay has been an amazing kind of purpose-driven business.

We like to say our mission is to increase the amount of fun being had in the world, which is kind of a mission that pretty much everybody can understand.

I think if your kids can understand it, then you really have kind of a mission that resonates with a lot of people.

Yeah, I mean, we took it up to several hundred million dollars in assets.

So it was definitely a success story.

There are a number of stops in between for both Max and I. So that was back in the kind of mid-2000s.

We both had multiple stops before getting to sort of PingPod.

Prior to joining PingPod, I was running digital fund services at Figure Technologies, which is a big sort of blockchain holding company.

I actually recently went public in Q3 of September of 2025.

they went public.

It's been a really nice IPO.

I was working there with Mike Cagney.

How I met Max was being a seed investor in his hedge fund, the one that we just talked about.

This was MM Capital, right?

MM Capital, yeah.

I was running a pool of venture capital seeding startup hedge funds.

The first hedge fund I seeded was run by Mike Cagney, who has went on to be the founder and CEO of

Sofi, chairman of Figure Technologies.

Mike's one of the kind of only people out there that's done, you know, multiple unicorns.