Bernard Jackman

But unfortunately, I think they expect a lot more themselves.

I don't know if URC...

I actually think the URC is less relevant the worst thing a URC win could do is make them think that they're on the right track yeah they actually probably paper over the cracks yeah and look I think the players the players there's a lot of experience in that dressing room

and I think they need to be a lot more rootless now around how they want to play and what next year looks like because some of them are going to finish their career without the accolades at Leinster that they have in Ireland and now there's no guarantee I know the French team is getting stronger etc but Leinster should be able to win the European Cup I've no doubt but they need everything to be aligned from top down

Your thoughts?

Yeah, just blown away, I think.

The injuries that they've had didn't help and suspension to Henderson.

I thought that was a real... No, they wouldn't.

And also, they've probably lost a bit of...

A bit of confidence momentum with just losing to Glasgow, the draw against Stormers.

I still think it's a much better season.

The Ulster fans can see that the worm has turned.

But I think they've recruited quite well.

I think Benson, as a competitor to Jack Murphy, Matthew Devine off the bench, are starting and rotating with...

with Doak it makes them better obviously they're losing Angus Bell probably need to bring in a prop Gustis I think has carried an injury all year hopefully that gets cleared up this summer the fact now that Balacoon and Stewart and Timoney are very much a core part of that Irish thing as long as you know they don't get overplayed which I don't think they will will give them confidence having starters or impactful players off the bench like Timoney for Ireland is huge

And it's another year and they'll learn from a new forwards coach coming in, Clark Dermody, who's highly rated.

Yeah, but I think, I just think, I think what you saw there is what you probably, we've seen over the last couple of years, obviously last year was bad, but when you get to the very, very end of that Challenge Cup, you run into some big teams and that's the challenge, is the risk over reward of,

of going after it and I don't say in the Irish teams it's not something we do we don't throw games whatever but other teams do get out of it as quick as they can to be honest and get out of dodge and concentrate on their home league if they don't feel they have the tools to win it and Montpellier were like Montpellier could have been top four in the Champions Cup this year that's how that's how strong they are

Shock and cheese.

Ulster haven't been in a...