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Bob Kagan

👤 Speaker
436 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Look how we're fighting together here, et cetera, et cetera.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So I just sort of thought...

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

What the Chinese saw was that the Israelis took all the risks.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

The Americans took no risks.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I mean, not no risks, but took very few risks.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So did we take out the air defenses?

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

No.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Are we sending our ships through the strait to deal, you know, what we're asking the Europeans to do, even though they have much less capability, but we're also unwilling to do it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So what do the Chinese see?

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

The Chinese see that when the Americans have a free target against a deeply dis...

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

decimated country like Iran, we will blow them up for as long as we possibly can.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Does that tell the Chinese anything about what we would do in the event of a crisis in the Taiwan Strait other than not wanting to send our ships into harm's way?

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

You know, we all enjoyed Hegseth noting that the reason we weren't sending our ships in to the Strait was because the Iranians would shoot at it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Yes, that is...

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

That is how that works.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And that's also how it will work in a China scenario.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Look, the big picture after we finish patting ourselves on the back for blowing everything up is we started this war and we are unable to win it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And we are unable to win it at a cost that is acceptable to us and to many of our allies.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

You know, we allegedly did this to some extent for the Gulf states.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

The Gulf states are furious at us now because we have kicked the hornet's nest and are threatening to walk away and leave them with the mad hornets.