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Bob Kagan

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The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

What did we demonstrate in this war that we could start it, but we couldn't finish it, that we could hit Iran, but we couldn't protect our allies in the region?

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

You know, the UAE is arresting people for taking pictures of the damage that's being done by Iranian weapons.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So they are not so far net beneficiaries of this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And they certainly aren't looking at the United States as the solution to their problems, since clearly we are not the solution to their problems.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So the biggest takeaway from this is

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I'm not at all sure we have increased our credibility.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I think we may have decreased our credibility in dealing with Russia and China, not to mention the boon that this war has been for Russia specifically in its war against Ukraine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

We're going to read a very good article in Foreign Policy Magazine right now, which is basically recounting this distinguished former American ambassador to South Korea, who has spent his whole life in South Korea, basically an American, telling the South Koreans that they really need to start striking out on their own now because the United States has become completely unreliable.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

You know, we are focused on how the breakdown of our relationship with Europe, but the Asia relationships are also breaking down for all the reasons you say.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

It's already the case that South Korea is starting to ration gas and other things with government vehicles, and they may put limits on people using it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

But it also, it ripples through all of their industries, not just the oil and gas, etc.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So they're

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

They're suffering.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And their choice is, and this is what this former ambassador recommended to them, and it is the case, which is go nuclear, take full control of the South Korean military, which is currently jointly run by the United States and South Korea, and move closer to China.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

If the United States is not going to be there for allies, people are going to have to make their accommodations.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Now, in the case of Japan, I don't think they can move closer to China.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I think the bitterness between them is too great.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And I don't think Japan wants to be part of the Chinese sphere of influence.