Bob Kagan

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1,471 appearances 4 recordings 1 series first heard Feb 2026 last heard 29 Jul

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The Bulwark Daily · Jonathan V. Last and Robert Kagan: Marco and Miller Go Full Fascist · 29 Jul 2026 podcast

There's all kinds of people, you know, Condi Rice, who, you know, can't be seen saying a negative word about Donald Trump, even as the world order that she claimed to stand for, he is actively destroying.

So, you know, I'm afraid Lindsey is...

In some ways, the most colorful, extreme version of something that has just become absolutely normal for every Republican official and former official in the country today.

I knew Lindsey pretty well.

I mean, I used to you know, I used to work close pretty closely unofficially with McCain and Lieberman and the whole three amigos thing.

And I remember the other Lindsey who was, you know, McCain's buddy to have known him then and to see him as he was under the Trump administration was really quite a striking, striking thing.

And I ask this about all these people too, because we all had the people that we were running along with in the 80s and 90s.

And some of them I knew were the wrong kind of people.

I mean, I knew Pat Buchanan, even though he was working for the Reagan administration, was not a good guy.

But there was a lot of people that I would not have predicted that...

that they would go in the direction that they went.

And I, you know, one of the great sciences is somehow figuring out why some people did and why some people didn't.

Well, there's a number of things to say.

The first is that is the rhetoric of totalitarianism.

And I've never seen an American utter such talk in that way before.

This is what Soviets said about their dissidents, that they're they're unstable.

They sent them to psychiatric wards because just the very fact of being a dissident demonstrated that you were mentally unsound.

Unfortunately for Marco Rubio and less unfortunately for Stephen Miller.

The only people that I've ever heard talk quite that way about the ugliness of these people are Nazis.

I mean, a quick search of Goebbels and Hitler will find strikingly similar phrases to these because it's beyond saying we disagree with their ideas.

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