Bob Kagan

Well, that's what I'm saying.

The Trump administration is manfully trying to turn around that election and sending Marco Rubio to make sure that the dictator of Hungary remains in power.

So J.D.

Vance and Marco Rubio are now actively lobbying.

By the way, this is the America First group that says we shouldn't be

pursuing ideological crusades around the world and we shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of other governments.

Remember all that stuff?

We shouldn't be promoting democracy.

That's terrible.

Promoting dictatorship, on the other hand, that apparently we can engage in that.

We can do that.

Okay.

The NATO discussion, I think, is really important.

And I think it's particularly important at this moment because now I am seeing that, you know, what we might have called the Reagan wing of the Republican foreign policy establishment has pretty much gone away because I would say that a core principle of

of Reagan foreign policy, both before and after the Cold War, was that the European and Asian alliances are at the core of American grand strategy.

And now, because of this war, even people who were part of what I would have thought of as the Reagan wing of the party are now coming out against NATO.

The degree to which Republican foreign policy types are coming out against NATO now is pretty extraordinary.

And it couldn't be more absurd.

I don't know what you wanted to get into, so maybe I should let you ask a question.

No, just no, Riff.