Bob Kagan

They are engaged right now in trying to prevent the conquest of a European country, a free and independent European country, Ukraine, by a Russian aggressor.

who clearly has ambitions beyond Ukraine and includes the Baltic states.

So when a foreign policy intellectual says, let's pull out of NATO because they're not helping us in the Gulf, they're saying, let's let Putin invade Estonia and it's not our problem.

And I'm just like, these are people who regarded the Russian threat to Europe as a central issue.

You know, Mike Johnson, you remember Mike Johnson back in 2024 saying Putin's got objectives, he's not going to stop in Ukraine.

This wasn't like some, you know, weird liberal internationalist problem.

This was something that used to be a core concern of Republicans.

And now overnight, they're willing to just sell all that down the river again, just to sort of

So that they're hanging in with Donald Trump.

I mean, we've we've talked a lot of people.

You've talked a lot of people about the failure of our elites in this whole crisis of Donald Trump.

This is a perfect example of it.

And these are people, by the way, who favored every aspect of NATO enlargement.

They wanted NATO to get bigger and bigger and keep moving eastward toward Russia, which, you know, a lot of people argue wrongly, in my opinion, is why Putin launched the war on Ukraine.

But in any case, at least it's in the ballpark.

And they were all for that.

And now they're ready to abandon it because because Trump made a mistake in Iran.

And so an obvious one.

Yeah.

An obvious one.