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Bozoma Saint John

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461 total appearances

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We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

I was like, so how am I supposed to create this narrative for white men when I've never been one? That's very strange. And I thought, I must be smarter than all the rest of y'all because if I can do it and you can't tell my story, oh, then I'm very fucking good because I could tell my story and yours. Oh, my God. That's where it started from, right? Because I was just like, oh, I see.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

I was like, so how am I supposed to create this narrative for white men when I've never been one? That's very strange. And I thought, I must be smarter than all the rest of y'all because if I can do it and you can't tell my story, oh, then I'm very fucking good because I could tell my story and yours. Oh, my God. That's where it started from, right? Because I was just like, oh, I see.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

I was like, so how am I supposed to create this narrative for white men when I've never been one? That's very strange. And I thought, I must be smarter than all the rest of y'all because if I can do it and you can't tell my story, oh, then I'm very fucking good because I could tell my story and yours. Oh, my God. That's where it started from, right? Because I was just like, oh, I see.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

You're trying to tell me that I'm not as good as you, but actually I'm better because I can do both. You could only do one. And then at some point I was like, oh, but wait, but my story is actually really important too. Mm-hmm. So then how do I put my story into the thing? You know, how do I add my perspective onto the story to really tell it?

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

You're trying to tell me that I'm not as good as you, but actually I'm better because I can do both. You could only do one. And then at some point I was like, oh, but wait, but my story is actually really important too. Mm-hmm. So then how do I put my story into the thing? You know, how do I add my perspective onto the story to really tell it?

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

You're trying to tell me that I'm not as good as you, but actually I'm better because I can do both. You could only do one. And then at some point I was like, oh, but wait, but my story is actually really important too. Mm-hmm. So then how do I put my story into the thing? You know, how do I add my perspective onto the story to really tell it?

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

It was so interesting how much resistance you can get when you're simply just trying to show up as yourself. It's still surprising to me. Most times I'm just like, but this can't be, like you can't really ignore Me, right? Like, you wouldn't be that overt about it. But no, it's true. Yes, we hide it in all the words. They're like, no, it's got to be mass market.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

It was so interesting how much resistance you can get when you're simply just trying to show up as yourself. It's still surprising to me. Most times I'm just like, but this can't be, like you can't really ignore Me, right? Like, you wouldn't be that overt about it. But no, it's true. Yes, we hide it in all the words. They're like, no, it's got to be mass market.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

It was so interesting how much resistance you can get when you're simply just trying to show up as yourself. It's still surprising to me. Most times I'm just like, but this can't be, like you can't really ignore Me, right? Like, you wouldn't be that overt about it. But no, it's true. Yes, we hide it in all the words. They're like, no, it's got to be mass market.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

It's got to hit, you know, the majority. And therefore, your story is not important. Your perspective is not important. Please consider everybody else before yourself. And perhaps that's also what is striking me because I've been conditioned that that's what I'm supposed to do. Whether it's for the opening the doors for everybody else, consider everybody else but myself.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

It's got to hit, you know, the majority. And therefore, your story is not important. Your perspective is not important. Please consider everybody else before yourself. And perhaps that's also what is striking me because I've been conditioned that that's what I'm supposed to do. Whether it's for the opening the doors for everybody else, consider everybody else but myself.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

It's got to hit, you know, the majority. And therefore, your story is not important. Your perspective is not important. Please consider everybody else before yourself. And perhaps that's also what is striking me because I've been conditioned that that's what I'm supposed to do. Whether it's for the opening the doors for everybody else, consider everybody else but myself.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

Or in the narrative telling or in the strategy setting, consider everybody else but myself. And I'm just at the point where I'm just like, no, I'm only considering myself. That's right. How about that? Yes.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

Or in the narrative telling or in the strategy setting, consider everybody else but myself. And I'm just at the point where I'm just like, no, I'm only considering myself. That's right. How about that? Yes.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

Or in the narrative telling or in the strategy setting, consider everybody else but myself. And I'm just at the point where I'm just like, no, I'm only considering myself. That's right. How about that? Yes.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And to appear... To be different, but not actually be different. And that was another thing that I've realized is that, look, I actually really do show up as myself, really. And so when that happens, people are just like, oh, but wait, I thought you would then just fit into our culture. because our culture is our thing and you're supposed to fit into it.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And to appear... To be different, but not actually be different. And that was another thing that I've realized is that, look, I actually really do show up as myself, really. And so when that happens, people are just like, oh, but wait, I thought you would then just fit into our culture. because our culture is our thing and you're supposed to fit into it.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And to appear... To be different, but not actually be different. And that was another thing that I've realized is that, look, I actually really do show up as myself, really. And so when that happens, people are just like, oh, but wait, I thought you would then just fit into our culture. because our culture is our thing and you're supposed to fit into it.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

And what's so interesting to me is, although I love the arts, I'm really a science gal, you know? And I'm like, molecules are so interesting. When you think about matter, it's like in any matter, it could be DNA, it could be water, it could be anything. You add a molecule into the matter and the whole matter changes. It doesn't matter what you're talking about.

We Can Do Hard Things
Being the Boss of Yourself with RHOBH’s Bozoma Saint John (Best Of)

And what's so interesting to me is, although I love the arts, I'm really a science gal, you know? And I'm like, molecules are so interesting. When you think about matter, it's like in any matter, it could be DNA, it could be water, it could be anything. You add a molecule into the matter and the whole matter changes. It doesn't matter what you're talking about.