Brie Player

And so it can often be like what do they write about if it's not that?

We are part of that.

The fans are part of that.

That is a journey they're on.

It's not a journey that the rest of the wider public's on.

No, and that's where you see those albums.

But these songs aren't hitting as much as...

The earlier ones are.

Because it could or it couldn't.

Well, sure.

Like it can.

Everyone's experiences burnout because everyone works too hard and whatever.

But I don't know if there's a lot of goodwill for celebrities experiencing burnout.

Because they're so privileged and whatever and it's like people are grinding and grinding in their real life and whatever.

So I don't know if, like, that's going to have the same.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think like, look,

It's difficult to talk about, like, the progression from Poets to Showgirl with Taylor's albums as far as, like, tonally they could not have been more opposite.

Numbers-wise, obviously, Taylor's now in such a different stratosphere that she's going to do numbers no matter what.

And obviously Showgirl blitzed it and is...