Calley Means
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1,357 appearances
15 recordings
7 series
first heard Oct 2024
last heard 9 Apr
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The data is there. Hold on.
But, but, but, but, but high level. Do we not feel optimistic about the moment that we're in for true transparency? No more. Why don't you feel optimistic?
I don't have to. You just said what you said to the people on this podcast. It's a litmus test you don't want to take. I am, my mission on this earth is to subvert the evil, dark, broken incentives of our pharmaceutical industry. and the incentives for the American people to be sick, which I think has super dark... I feel like we're listening to another ad.
I don't think you do. I think I do. Okay. We can talk about that. But... Do I think that COVID jabs should be pulled immediately? I think that what happened with COVID is evil, and I think it's horrible. I don't think you even know what happened with COVID. I don't. I don't know what you're saying. Honestly, Jack, I don't. I think that what you're saying... I think that what you're saying...
And the threads you are pulling should have maximum airtime, should be absolutely seeing the sunlight, and we should have absolute fearless discussion and truth. The funny thing is they aren't. And guess what? The jabs are still out there.
I am really optimistic. No, I think it's optimistic for Fruit Loops, but not for the job. I think there's a lot of darkness. I think there's going to be a lot of subversion. I think progress is probably going to be more incremental than you and I want. But I think we are standing right now at a more optimistic time to get truth out and change some of these incentives than we ever have.
And the truth is... You feel that way, Mary?
Jack, what's with your, like, who do you think I worked for? I know who you are.
Going to Stanford, working at Edelman, working at Mercury Public Affairs, going to Harvard Business School, seeing inside the Council on Foreign Relations. These are foundational to who I am and what my story is.
Hold on. Hold on, Jack. NATO supporting. UN supporting. Jack, you haven't read our books or listened to our podcast. Well, if you don't think that me and my sister... eviscerate the book. A big portion of the book is explaining how the Rockefeller family is one of the most evil families in American history. Okay. My dad worked for the Ford Rockefeller administration for two years, 50 years ago.
These Rockefeller connections and the Rockefeller money that we have, that's news to us. Okay. He worked for the Ford administration and he was a mid-level assistant for rights president, Nelson Rockefeller for, not David Rockefeller, who I don't even know that as, or you say a lot. Okay. That was 50 years ago. David Rockefeller founded the Council of Foreign Relations, which you remember.
That's news to me. I've been to one Council of Foreign Relations meeting in my life. What is the Council of Foreign Relations?
And first of all, what is it? Well, hold on. Well, just answer the question. Hold on.
Is it? Yeah. The answer to that is I haven't updated my LinkedIn profile in a couple years.
He is the leader of the largest public relations and public affairs firm in the world that I worked for 13 years ago.
I'm just warming up, brother. Just try to let him talk. Let's have some love here. Not going to happen. I don't know who told you all this darkness. It's curious. I have security people that find lots of things out. Okay. Well, I'm curious. I'm looking forward to hearing them. So Edelman, as we write about and talked about incessantly, and I'm happy to repeat for you,
um, created a playbook to rig institutions of trust. They, they actually made a lot of their, um, money with cigarette companies and they helped bribe, um, scientific organizations to say how cigarettes, you know, basically a question. They actually didn't even say they were healthy. The goal was to actually show how, uh, cause confusion.
Okay, so throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s, they ran the playbook for the cigarette industry to basically rig institutions of trust, to pay off regulators, to have confusing information, to have doctors in advertisements. So this is a large public relation form that basically created that playbook. Now, as cigarette smoking declined...
they took on other interests like food companies, oil companies, other industries like that, and they used the exact same playbook. And they actually shifted their clients over from the cigarette industry to the food industry as the cigarette industries bought the food industry in the 1990s. And then those were clients that I had when I was there 12, 13 years ago.
And as I talked about, I actually watched and helped
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