Calley Means

frankly, of an agriculture company, thinking about their inputs, of healthcare companies.

They are all talking about chronic disease and they're talking about how they can steer their business models more towards longevity, prevention, addressing the root cause of disease.

This is absolutely happening because I think whatever happens to this MAHA movement in its current constitution, and I

It needs to continue succeeding, and it must, and it deserves to.

But this conversation is out of the box, and I think that's a real accomplishment and a historic accomplishment of President Trump and RFK.

The Maha movement, it's absolutely correct, is an invitation by President Trump and RFK for a grand long-term nuanced conversation.

We are talking about the foundations of the U.S.

economy.

The Maha argument, which everyone knows is true, is that this is not an issue of rejiggering Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates to solve what's happening to American health.

There's something deeply cultural here.

There's something spiritual.

It's very multifaceted.

And we've opened up that conversation.

And listeners of your podcast, listeners of other great podcasts understand this is a very, very deep issue.

And Secretary Kennedy and President Trump tap something very powerful in their conversations here.

What surprised me is how much frankly hate there is in Washington DC towards this administration, towards President Trump.

When I wrote that book and went on those podcasts, Casey and I had an expressly,

and didn't think about this in political terms.

I met with Nancy Pelosi.

I met with progressive Democrats.