Carl Kinsella

Yeah, who won a by-election in the constituency of Makerfield.

And he won it overwhelmingly, which I think had... So, like, the idea was always, you know, since a couple of weeks ago, or it could even be months at this point, like, Keir Starmer has been so beleaguered.

Obviously, he took a massive... First of all, I'm beleaguered.

Yeah, and also, I literally, I was about to say the word shellacking there as well.

So I don't know, I don't know what's going on with me this morning.

But so, yeah, Labour won that by-election, by which I mean Andy Burnham won that by-election emphatically.

I think maybe had he won it less emphatically, then it wouldn't be as clear that Keir Starmer was facing such a heave.

But it really does seem as though, you know, Andy Burnham, that...

by-election was kind of almost taken as a referendum on Keir Starmer because people knew that Andy Burnham was like you know the previous holder the reason there even was a by-election is because Josh Simons who won that seat in 2024 literally stepped aside so that Andy Burnham could enter the House of Commons and essentially take the leadership away from Keir Starmer

So there probably will be a leader.

There could be a leadership contest.

You know, there could be some other backbench or some cabinet minister in the current Labour government who's like, oh, I'm going to challenge Andy Burnham.

But it seems like what is expected to happen is that Andy Burnham is basically going to end up as prime minister of the UK as a result of winning this by-election.

It's a really interesting situation.

I suppose it gets to, I mean, it speaks to a certain popularity that Andy Burnham must have.

He has been mayor of Greater Manchester for a long time now.

Anyone who's been to Manchester in the last 10 years will know that the city has really experienced a resurgence.

There's a lot of great things in Manchester, and I think a lot of that is to Andy Burnham's credit.

I actually remember him from even before that.

He used to be the MP for Liverpool, and I remember he used to...