Carla Denyer
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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Thanks for having me on again.
It was pretty grim watching the speeches at the various inauguration ceremonies. I'm not surprised. We knew this was coming. He told us that he was going to do all this stuff. I think this is a really pivotal moment for the UK government. the UK government has to decide which way it wants to face.
And I will be really worried if we see anything more from number 10 that looks like cosying up to Trump's government when I and the Green Party are really clear that we would do a lot better if we turn towards Europe and towards governments that are far from perfect, but for the most part have, I would say, more shared values with the UK.
I do understand that when you're in government, you are responsible for diplomacy that goes beyond just your personal views and your political party. But one can be polite without cosying up. It was concerning yesterday to see Number 10 refusing to comment on Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris Agreement. Like that's...
even if they don't want to comment on Trump or Musk as people, surely they can comment on policy decisions that their government disagrees with.
Probably some of those consequences are going to come down the track anyway because of the decisions, various decisions that have been made over the first six months of this Labour government on everything from being very slow and partial on their decisions on suspending arms sales to Israel, the two-child benefit cap, an almost endless list of things where I've seen people in my constituency and more broadly basically saying, this isn't what I expected, Labour.
Yeah.
It's a cross-party project, really. So proposed by a Lib Dem MP with co-signatories from Greens, Plaid Cymru, SNP, Labour, Conservatives. It's not often that you find people from all of those parties ready to work together and agree.
And although there's been various versions of this bill, the main three principles that have been consistent throughout them are, firstly, the law must keep pace with the science, the climate science especially. The Climate Change Act 2008 was groundbreaking in its time, but it's really out of date now.
It was written in a time when we thought that keeping climate change within two degrees was enough. The climate science is now super clear that that is not the case. We need to keep within 1.5 if we possibly can. That door is closing fast, but if we possibly can, or at least as close to it as possible, and that requires a different set of policies.
The second fundamental principle in the bill is that climate and nature are so interrelated that we have to tackle them as one, having completely separate bits of legislation that don't interact at all. puts the government at risk of making decisions that will be good for climate, but bad for nature and or vice versa.
And the third is democracy, basically, that people should have a voice in solutions. And so there's a section in the bill around using a climate assembly or a climate advisory council so that the government can be advised by what the public has an appetite for, which I think is really important because the fastest way to decarbonise is to bring people along with you.
And actually loads of polling shows that the public have got much more of an appetite for urgent action on climate than I think most politicians realise. But you have to make sure that you do it in a way that puts the responsibility for paying for it on those with the broader shoulders.
And you don't accidentally design a policy that means that those on the lowest incomes are put in a more difficult situation, of course. And so that's where the Climate Assembly comes in.
Yeah. And the less sunny part of this story, let's say, is that with still only a couple of days to go until we debate and hopefully vote on this bill, we still don't know if we have Labour support. Right. I see. But...
We have the support of individual Labour MPs, including some co-sponsors. We have the support of nearly 200 MPs in principle. Nearly 200 MPs signed a pledge before or since the election saying that they would support this.
So the big question is whether all those people that in the run up to an election said that they would support it are actually going to put their bum on a seat and support it when the moment matters.
The climate science isn't going to budge for politics. The climate science is that we must stay within 1.5 to have a good chance of avoiding catastrophic climate change.
Yeah.
but also that every fraction of a degree matters. So very depressingly, we found out that 2024 exceeded 1.5 degrees. But because of the intricacies of the atmosphere and the climate and how it works, that doesn't necessarily mean we've permanently passed it. Right. And even if we have, we should have policies that aim to haul it back as much as possible. So I still think it is...
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