Carla Kaufman Sloan

I feel like that's the hardest thing for a parent.

I have experienced parents who don't want to live anymore, and their child does not want that from the other side.

They're like, that's a waste of this gift you've been given to just give up and lay down and die.

Yeah, it's true.

And I feel like a lot of times it sends you in a direction.

Like, we started a foundation for kids in grief, and we named it after both boys, Caleb and Calder.

It's an awesome foundation.

And Caleb came to us recently and he goes, I know we always focus on kids, but since I feel like he's around my parents a lot lately and he's like, I feel like older people lose their memories and he's been studying music.

And he goes, I think I want to do this project where I create a group where we go sing songs to the older people from their youth.

So they're like having fun.

Wow.

Caleb wants

to do that?

Yeah, he just did it.

How old is Caleb now?

He's 16.

That's awesome.

He's awesome.

Thank you for saying that.

But he just did his first show at my parents' senior living community.