Cas Holman
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And she's a science writer.
So she's really good at researching and finding and taking scientific studies and, you know, relating them.
She and I talked a lot about
How do we acknowledge this is an important part of how adults play?
And also, how can we take the advantages or what is it about being intoxicated that lets us access play?
And how can we get there without it?
Or like the play itself.
Use that to then, you see like conversational play, social play.
But what my hope is, and part of what I kind of the story I tell in the book is that we didn't forget how to play.
We all still know how to play.
We have just learned to not play.
And that's from coming up in school.
Growing up means growing out of playing, right?
So if you think about in school, we're told like, hold still.
Act serious.
Pay attention.
And then when you're an adult, I talk about a play voice and an adult voice.
And your play voice is like, go do that thing.