Cas Holman

And we were like, yes, oh my God, it feels so good to me.

So she loved making, you know, that was kind of her play.

Right.

And there can be ways that the work life doesn't change at all.

But outside of it, she can kind of let herself play.

A lot of it is like give yourself permission to play.

And realize that play might look like when you're taking a hike, if it's hot or your friend is slow and kind of annoying you, don't get so hung up on, we're doing this hike, we have to get to the top.

I'm so annoyed.

Oh my God, we only have an hour and I really want to do this.

I really want that selfie from the top.

Right?

So...

Maybe if you were to release judgment and say, we're out here.

And also the third element is reframing success.

Is success getting to the top or is success that we're hanging out together?

So maybe we can just take our time or hang out on that one cliff and throw pebbles at the people coming up the hill, you know?

It's so natural for adults to be hung up on success because...

12 years of really intense time.

And then also college, if you did that, we're told what success looks like.

And our self-worth and our value and our own understanding of our intelligence and competence is wrapped up in a success that someone else defined for us.