Charlie Puth

No, it can just be a baseline and you have to keep an open mind always when you're writing a song.

And it took me a while to get there on that one.

Yes, just not in the YouTube days when I was making songs completely by myself.

I remember...

You know Cara Diaguardi?

I don't know her personally though.

She would be someone interesting to interview as well or have a conversation with.

People don't seem to like the word interview anymore.

Have a conversation with.

Yeah.

People don't say like, oh, it's not an interview.

This is my podcast.

It's like kind of that vibe now.

But 2012, Cara came to Berkeley and taught a songwriting class and everybody was trying to get in.

I wrote her a letter.

I was like, I will do this, that, this, that.

I want to be in this class.

I want to learn.

Even though I never liked the how to write a song classes at Berklee, this was more of a write a song and show it to me and I'll give you my honest feedback as a successful songwriter.

So I was dying to get into that class.