Christian Rudder
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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Yeah. The peace for sure.
Yeah, it's hard to make, like, almost any decision you make feels like settling.
And I think that's, like, you know, yeah, they're all, like, Grindr, Bumble… Tinder, which is owned by Match, which also owns OkCupid and tons of other things. Yeah, they're all public companies. IEC, which at that time owned Match and Tinder before it was spun off into a public company, bought OkCupid in 2011. They were great partners. I really liked everyone there.
But definitely the timbre changed overnight of, you know, how did you do yesterday? Yes. How did you do this week? What's the earnings, baby? Oh, yeah. But it comes down to the day, like, information's coming in real time about how much money you're making. So I do, yeah, I think for there to be a healthier dating app, I think it would have to be privately held. Yeah.
And that guy, theoretical guy, would also probably be disgusted by a lib or whatever. Yeah.
I mean, I think that's actually a really good insight into maybe why current... The current leaders are on the decline because they just don't really gather much of that information at all. Yeah, you can put it in your profile, I guess. But like, at least as far as I know, you can't search by politics, just for example. Hinge, I think you can, is one of the few.
And Hinge, I think by no coincidence, is kind of ascendant now. It's past Bumble to be the number two. Kind of out of really from nothing, like 2019, the app was tiny and it's just grown. And so I think leaning more into that Hinge-style model of learning more, Yeah, you would have to gather more information. Mm-hmm. ask people questions, have them slow down.
Like I remember when we were trying to compete with Tinder at OkCupid, like it was tough because we tried to ask all these complex things like, you know, how religious are you? It's like a pretty complicated question. And also there's some religious people that don't care if their partner is religious.
Yeah, exactly, right. And so neither of you, both of you are okay with the other way, right? And some people are very religious and need the other person to meet them there, right? And you just have to start gathering that information.
And then segmenting your matches, you know, or maybe you find someone who's MAGA and is okay with someone who isn't, you know, for example, you know, people are unpredictable in some ways.
Sure, sure, exactly. And that's very well said. But I think, I guess... That's where computers can kind of do a lot of work that a normal human being couldn't do, where it's like, you can gather all this information, your political affiliation, you can also gather how much that matters to you, how engaged you are politically. And then behind the scenes...
the server or the algorithm can learn what actually makes a difference, you know, and then act on that. But unless you have that, you know, even in the kind of like primitive days of 2014 or whatever, we did tons of experiments and tests and we're always sort of honing our match algorithm until we decided we had it to where the best that we could get it.
But you have to take in that information to make that even possible. And you might end up with unexpected predictors of relationship success or at least conversational success, which is all these apps can really manage or measure. But there are predictors, like you just said. How strongly you feel about politics does, it turns out, matter. But if the app doesn't know that question...
then it can't use it. And so I think that's what you've lost in the sort of swiping model now that Hinge is bringing back a little of. And I think at some point, another app will figure out a way to make that sort of palatable to a busy person on a phone today to learn more about them and then figure out what is going to matter in a relationship that person is going to have.
Yeah, it makes complete sense, actually.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, it's like a worldview thing.
Yeah, that's what computers are perfect for.
Sounds like you and your husband both know yourselves really well too, which is important. But I think just, again, working on our theoretical dating app here, what you could do is you ask people to do essentially that same ranking that you just described. Kindness, religion, whatever it is. People can order little tiles just for our mental model.
But then, over the course of maybe continuing to use the app, you can ask... There's questions you can ask about family, for example, that will help us understand how important family actually is. How much time do you spend doing this or whatever? How often do you talk to your mom?
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