Claire Stephens

And I was obsessed, and I didn't know why.

Because I think she just dressed celebrities, but I also just kind of liked how she wore really big sunglasses.

I just, when I heard that, the idea of him not being around, I thought, oh, the risks of prosecuting a divorce in public and kind of one person having a voice that the other person doesn't have.

Yeah, but there's a really interesting piece in the cut by Alyssa Vingen, and it's called So Long, Housewives, Hot Divorces Run Bravo Now.

And she basically argues that the fact that we are now seeing this

has really normalised it for her and that she is watching it with the empathy of somebody who has just been through it themselves.

So she opens the piece by admitting that when she announced her divorce to her friends, several of them finally felt comfortable telling her that they really disliked her ex-husband and they never thought he was good enough for her.

Oh, my gosh.

I know.

I know.

That they never told you, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This whole time.

I'm like, tell me now.

But The Real Housewives of Orange County debuted 20 years ago.

That was the beginning of the whole franchise.

20 years ago?

20 years.

Okay.

Okay, I'll take that on good authority.