Claire Stephens

So the kind of discourse, as Amelia said, it sort of started with that video where the three of them came out with this is what our relationship structure looks like.

And there was a lot of backlash about an analysis of body language and whether this was what Lindy really wanted, which was a bit like kind of condescending.

And so that was kind of the discourse.

Then she's written this memoir and it's...

that intensified times a million.

Mm-hmm.

And there's another Substack that calls it trainwreck feminism and talks about women who convince themselves that they're happy in a particular arrangement and that they chose it when it's almost like watching someone self-harm.

So there's basically a lot of concern

and whether you'd call that faux concern, performative concern for Lindy West.

One thing I find fascinating, and that there has then been discourse about the discourse and all of that, because Lindy has commented.

So she's done that video, she's done a Substack post, kind of engaging with...

The criticism, and it's not... The criticism isn't criticism of her.

It is actually more criticism of Aham.

And basically, a lot of people are saying there's a difference between a transparent, mutually agreed-upon polyamorous relationship and one where there's cheating involved.

And by Lindy's account in her book and in...

interviews and that's the other thing I agree people haven't read the book but there is a modern love very detailed modern love there's a lot of source material out there there's a slate profile there actually is a lot that has come directly from her by Lindy West's own account she was not comfortable with being in a non-monogamous relationship and it was presented to her by a harm as an ultimatum to her at a time where she was grieving her father and she didn't want

a harm to leave her.

So she tacitly agreed in the sense that she was, she says, she was kicking it down the line, hoping that it would never actually come to fruition.

Exactly.

Then she hears through a fan of hers