Claire Stephens

that Aham was hooking up with another woman in a bar in the neighbourhood.

So, Holly, imagine how you would feel if somebody, if an outlouder said, hey, just saw Brent hooking up with somebody.

And the humiliation... I know.

Because obviously other people don't know, and as far as she knows, that's not...

I don't even know if it's... Well, I think one aspect of it that I find really interesting is that part of millennial internet writing was vulnerability.

Very much.

And was showing your scars.

A personal essay.

Yes, and was very much... And Lindy West has written, she wrote about it in Shrill, and she has talked about it in these interviews, where she has said, I have never had a...

functional relationship where somebody just puts me on a pedestal and loves me like like that is not what was ever presented to me as an option and so people are sort of reading into this and thinking well if that was never presented to you as an option then maybe you think this is the only option and they're analyzing it to death but what about her point that like they've been together for nearly two decades and he's her number one supporter and they're madly in love

When you write a memoir and when you then go and promote that memoir and you're interviewed and you share your story,

people automatically the point of empathy is lindy right people like when you hear we know her right yes and you know her and so when she tells you something you you i mean contrary to a lot of this commentary you do trust her as a voice and you do empathize with her the really tricky thing is that in this book and in those interviews she is telling us that a harm

did horrible things.

There is a part in the book where she writes when Aham was hooking up with the woman in the neighborhood that Aham did things that were really bad that she's not going to put in the book and that would have made her entirely justified in leaving their marriage.

And that's what she doesn't include.

Well, I do.

There's also...

So she's told this story and she has shown herself being hurt.

And in the interviews, she has talked about being hurt.

And the interviews and from all accounts that I've seen the book...