Claire Stephens

borderline abusive email to this journalist and the email to this journalist said, you are a shitty fucking person, you're a bitter, untalented mean girl and you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself and you fucking suck.

Ouch!

And it was objectively an awful, awful email and the journalist has shared that and basically said...

there's one person on the internet who taught me how to respond to things like that, and it was Lindy West.

And now it's her partner doing that.

And is it that outlandish that...

a security guard might just go up to somebody and have a go at them because sometimes security guards do that.

No, not at all, because I think that in some ways we're still prosecuting a lot of, I mean, as you can see from this show, we're still prosecuting a lot of questions about feminism in real time.

What's this got to do with feminism?

And because I think that we are, women are looking at each other thinking,

Are you my enemy?

You are my enemy.

You are the reason that my husband left me.

Like women are doing that to each other and it's internalised misogyny 100%.

Yeah, yeah, because that nuance is quite boring and also doesn't fit with the fact that on the internet somebody like Kristen Cabot is a...

two-dimensional figure who represents the homewrecker.

That's it.

There's nothing more complicated.

Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

And is it the end of Kyle and Jackie O?