Claire Wasserman
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537 appearances
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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And I know we've spoken already before, you know, you have some feelings about money as we all do, but in your own words, could you give me a little bit more context or details about where you're at in your relationship with money and how I can be most helpful and supportive to you today?
Very, very, very helpful. There's a number of things that you've said that I want to point out. Well, first of all, acknowledging the fact that you have been on a roller coaster of a relationship with money in the sense of how you grew up. So service-oriented parents who didn't make much, but you had exposure to people who did, felt they were egotistical maybe.
Then you made very little when you first graduated. You had lots of debt, but it was taken care of through social services, and then you worked your way up to six figures. But in doing those things, in the working your way up and making more, you burnt out. Is that right?
Let's not say, you know, you can say hopefully, but with a plan, we will ensure that you are off that cycle. So from what I hear from you, you equate money. And when I say you, by the way, for anybody listening and watching, I'm also saying you too. And me too, because this is a lot of us.
But for you, Danielle, particularly, you seem to associate money with... Okay, so ego, which we can go a little bit more depth. Okay, so ego. So maybe... more for me means less for you. So this binary way of looking at receiving money, money is ego. Money also equals burnout because when you did make six figures, you were overwhelmed and in a sort of toxic work environment, right?
So has there ever been a time where you made a lot of money and it felt really good?
Yeah. I'm going to say a cliche, but it's a cliche for a reason. You know, this expression, you can't be what you can't see. It's very true because when you haven't yet experienced something in your life, it is so difficult to imagine that it could possibly happen for you.
So I am curious, do you know of anybody, whether you've spoken to them so you know them personally, or maybe they're more aspirational, where they seem to have made a living, a really good living, while also not burning out? Of course, we don't know the true story of behind the scenes, but is there a good model to follow possibly to remind us that we can do this, right?
That many things can be true at once. You can do good and do well and provide for your family while also not burning out. Do we know anybody who's done that?
Yeah, okay. I'm about to say something that I want you and everybody watching, listening to listen up. It is not about being qualified, okay? Making money, doing well in our careers, growing our businesses. I wish it was whoever is the most talented person makes the most money or whoever works the hardest, whoever's the most qualified, the best person gets the reward. And it is so not the case.
You know who gets the reward? The people who play the game, okay? Who can really... optimize within the system. Here's your problem, my problem, and a lot of our problems. We hate the system. So we hate the game. So we go, screw it. I'm not playing. Well, I'm not trying to be broke here and neither are you. So what I'm going to share with you is a whole process. Okay.
And we're going to go through step by step. And you're going to tell me all the things you hate about my process. And we're going to work together through that resistance, right? Because trying to sort of do things for the aspiration, they never work, right? Obstacles are always greater than the aspirations. So we'll make the plan around the roadblocks and the resistance.
But we have got to dig into this system that currently exists and find our own way, find our own way of playing it while also kind of on the side. And I'll get more specific about this in a minute. But can we create a new game as we are playing the one that currently exists? And of course, this all sounds very exhausting.
And that's why we have to have outlets where we can connect with each other and have catharsis, et cetera, et cetera. But I think many things are true at once. We can do more than we realize, but we have to do it smart, okay? Because we cannot burn out. That is not an option. Neither one of us can literally afford to burn out. Right. We're both breadwinners for our families here.
So it's just literally not a possibility. Okay. Right. So I want to say that it's not about being qualified. It's about who kind of plays the game the best, but you can't win at a game you hate. So we're going to actually learn to love the game. All right. And then here's your first piece of homework. Okay.
For you, Danielle, but everybody listening, find examples of people who are doing things in the way that you would like to. Okay. So you see these guys out there who are like, I'm making $4,000 doing nothing. And it makes you enraged. Okay. Don't pay attention to those guys.
But see if you could go find somebody who reminds you of you, who figured it out, who said, hey, listen, I'm a creative person. I've been through a whole journey with my relationship with money. I've resisted X, Y, and Z. And here's how I'm making money in a way that feels good. So I want you to go find examples, you know, and they can all represent different sort of aspects of aspiration.
So it might not necessarily be a person who's exactly like you in all of the things, but they have figured out some way to run a business, create a life that does not require burnout. Nor selling their soul. Okay. So that's the first order of business for you.
Before I get into the process, all the steps, the resistance, et cetera, anything else you want to share, any sort of feedback, things that you're thinking, feeling to what I've talked about so far?
Good news. That's going to be one of my suggestions for you. And we're going to make it into a schedule that works and a pricing that feels good.
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