Claire Wasserman
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537 appearances
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1 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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you realize that you're just a little less alone. So today's guest is Katie, who wants to pivot from being a nurse to going into the tech healthcare field. But she's feeling really demoralized because even though she's getting past a couple of rounds of interviews, they keep telling her that they're going with candidates that have, quote, more traditional experience. I know how that feels.
So I give her tips on how to tell her story in a more compelling way, that her skills really are transferable, and that the learning curve will be minimal. I also talked to her about how she can kind of broaden the field of where she's applying to, how to be more creative and more strategic in doing research on what companies are out there.
This is really good for somebody who maybe is considering a career pivot or someone who's in the throes of the job search and is just getting demoralized. Don't worry, I got you. Hey, Katie, thanks so much for joining us today on the podcast. If you can give me some more context to what you're going through and how I can best support you, let's get started.
I wanted to have you on the show because I think a lot of people out there are itching to pivot, but have a lot of questions about, am I going to have to take a pay cut? And also, can I even get the job in the first place? So how do I demonstrate in a compelling way that my skills really are transferable, even if I haven't had the traditional experience or title?
Yeah, it can be a little complicated, so I'm going to do my best to unravel and give you action steps. So the first thing is congratulations on the bravery required to do something different. So I hope that you're feeling proud and can maintain some of that pride as you go through this process. I know it's demoralizing to be rejected, but as long as you are learning, building, growing,
Doing, feeling, trying, and breaking it down into actionable, reasonable steps for yourself. Hold on to that as best as you can throughout this process. Sustaining your energy is everything in this. Okay, so we've got that. The people who are going to hire you are the ones that you've convinced are effectively two things.
Number one, that your learning curve will be minimal because nobody wants to take a chance on somebody they can hire an easy fit, right? So we've got to show them that the learning curve is minimal. And I'm going to walk you through how to do that in just a minute. The second thing that we want to demonstrate to them is that you being a non-traditional candidate is actually an asset.
So instead of it being a thing that we hide, I want to figure out, after we've established that the learning curve is minimal, that you bring something extra by being an outsider. Before I dive into all that, am I on the same page with you of where you want to focus today? Yes, that sounds wonderful. Okay, great.
So you mentioned a few things already in feedback that you've received, and I'm glad that you've gotten, you know, not just rejected in the first round. The reason I'm glad that you've gotten a few rounds in is because you've now established relationships with these hiring managers and whoever else you've met. We have no idea where they're going to go next.
And also if another position may open up later down the road. So for you and anyone watching and listening who is in a process of, yes, I've had a few rounds of interviews, but I'm not landing the job, don't feel like it's all a waste, okay? It's broadening your network. And listen, I've never gotten a job through a cold application.
It's always come through my network and through my relationships. So you are doing that and you're doing it successfully. But how do we take that next leap past the oh, okay, you sort of have comparable but not totally right experience. Let's break it down into as many different areas in which we can nail either the gap you have or the story we're going to tell around the gap.
We've got skills, we've got experience, we've got network. What else could we be missing? Just throw out as many as you can. And by the way, it doesn't have to be what you're missing. It's just the things that they're looking for that they don't want to have to train you on. I mean, it's basically credibility, right? So again, we've got skills, we've got experience, we've got your network, right?
Relationships are important. Schooling maybe. I mean, is there anything else you can think of?
Okay. Well, we're going to obviously put that front and center. I'm so sorry to hear that that is your story, but I'm also so happy that you can leverage it for growth. Yay. Seriously. Yes. My dad would be happy.
So here's the best way I think you can work backwards from anything that you might potentially be quote missing. And tell me if you've done any of this. Have you spoken to people who have the jobs that you want or people who are doing similar things? And by speaking to them, I don't just mean, oh, what do you like about your job?
What I want you to do when you talk to these people is ask them what is difficult about their job. What skills have they felt that they've really needed to learn and leverage to not only solve the challenges of their job, but to be excellent?
I want you to dig into the details of that because you'll then work backwards from those details and speak to them, literally, specifically speak to them in your cover letter, in your interview, in whatever kind of exchange you're having. You will acknowledge the fact that, yes, you are excellent. making a pivot.
However, you have spoken to, let's just say, five or eight or 10 people who've been in the trenches for some time in doing this work and told you that the three biggest skills that they've used or whatever it is, it's making sure that the person who's hearing you understands that this isn't just about aspirations. It's about the obstacles in the way of the aspiration.
So what is difficult about this job? And chances are what was difficult was probably not, I don't know, learning how to use a platform or a piece of software. It was probably the soft skills, right? It's probably going to be things that when you hear them, you go, oh, I totally have a story for that. I have a great example of how I've done that. Tell me, though, is this resonating?
Have you tried it? And what do you feel?
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