Clayton Echard

And so she was just creating a new form.

phone number so she texted me from over 13 different phone numbers so i couldn't avoid um you know those messages from coming through i also realized that if i wasn't reading her emails she'd start sending more messages to my family members or in organizations i was working with so if i was in contact with her then she was less in contact with people on the outside

And that's where I was trying to keep it under wraps.

And I was like, look, I don't want her interacting with people on the outside because they're not aware of this story.

And I mean, again, they're going to be like, what's going on?

You know, so I was trying to keep it quiet.

And that's what it was, was how I was then trying to play chess with her where I was trying to get ahead of her at her game.

And so something I discussed on the podcast is I had her come over because I said I wanted to talk with her and see if we could just, you know, just like, let's just talk and let's be reasonable and see if we can come to a solution here.

But I was just trying to get her to come over to take a paternity or a pregnancy test and

Um, but when she showed up, she already had a pregnancy test ready to go and she was ready to take the test as well.

And, and, and so again, we talked as, as to why, why would she take a pregnancy test on the spot?

She did.

And it came back positive.

So, again, and it all unravels, but this is where what I've been really impressed by is the production of the podcast.

First, when they brought it to me, I wasn't too excited because I'm like, okay, a podcast is a podcast, but I've already talked on this a million times.

But what's really incredible about this is it's storytelling.

So there's voice actresses, there's her voice, there's my story, there's other stories.

And so it puts you into our shoes and it takes you through all the emotions as well.

So early on, you go, wait,

Wait, hold on.